tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post92844833295866035..comments2024-02-22T13:53:00.516-05:00Comments on Elizabeth Spiegel's blog: Photos from Amateur Team East 2009Elizabeth Vicaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04880561980096775673noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-13269039273490517502010-05-15T13:45:39.145-04:002010-05-15T13:45:39.145-04:00I typed "Ron Young", "notorious&quo...I typed "Ron Young", "notorious", "chess" and "cheater" into Google and was rewarded with this page. Thank you for your service to the community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-43563898836025692692009-03-04T21:57:00.000-05:002009-03-04T21:57:00.000-05:00LOL indeed.The discussion got silly based on a com...LOL indeed.<BR/>The discussion got silly based on a comment (the now well known) LaRocca had made about Lizzy's 25. ...f4 combined with the dreaded bad move question mark. I don't think 25. ...f4 is a bad move if it's followed up correctly which wasn't done in the game or the analysis. It's true she lost the game, but it wasn't because of her move 25.<BR/>Things begin to take a specious turn when Lizzy points out that she can't find LaRocca's rating. There's no mention of his being unrated, but she does seem to use this as a way to challenge his credibility.<BR/>Except for the attention getting: "This is absolute drivel.", the "long tirade of insults" was actually a laundry list of her reasons for playing 25. ...f4 including a comment about her perception of LaRocca's tone.<BR/>I'm going to skip the silicon<BR/>analysis & go right to "So I think it's not unreasonable to claim the situation is murky and the evaluation is tricky." This deserves another LOL. Call me old fashioned, but I thought 2100 players were <I>supposed</I> to be good at figuring this stuff out. <BR/>I guess that makes me a reverse rating snob.<BR/>& just for the record, I know Mark LaRocca & he really is a great guy with a passion for chess analysis, & Elizabeth Vicary is an outstanding competitor <A HREF="http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1466270" REL="nofollow">(Click here for brilliancy.)</A> with enough imagination & insight to keep this blog alive.<BR/>Besides what would the internet be without the occasional merciless hammering of someone for flimsy reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-60112378881804446112009-03-04T18:59:00.000-05:002009-03-04T18:59:00.000-05:00Larocca incident revisited-lol. Larocca analyzes g...Larocca incident revisited-lol. Larocca analyzes games and inadvertanly touches off a nerve when he criticized Lizzy in a game she got killed in. Lizzy tries to check Mark's rating but because she cant spell or because it is spelled tricky, she figures he in unrated. She unleashes a long tirade of insults and acts generally snobish since this guy doesnt have any rating only to find out he is rated higher than her....oupsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-23200256279028596232009-03-02T11:23:00.000-05:002009-03-02T11:23:00.000-05:00Lizzy -- USATE games 2 & 6 analysis still to c...Lizzy -- USATE games 2 & 6 analysis still to come I hope? The analysis of the four games so far has been very informative and entertaining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-56319025305310270392009-03-01T02:25:00.000-05:002009-03-01T02:25:00.000-05:00There's certainly lots of other stuff about ge...There's certainly lots of other stuff about general distractions & annoyances, but the issue of analyzing games in progress is specifically addressed.<BR/>It seems, as I suspected, it's not really a fuzzy area at all.<BR/>I found two relevant passages in a recent edition of "The Official Rules Of Chess" by Eric Schiller:<BR/>12.3 "No analysis is permitted in the playing room when play is in progress, whether by players or spectators."<BR/>13.7 "Spectators and players in other games are not to speak about or otherwise interfere in a game."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-1824750794001979182009-03-01T00:08:00.000-05:002009-03-01T00:08:00.000-05:00The rules are very explicit about not receiving ou...The rules are very explicit about not receiving outside help. I can't quote chapter and verse because I don't have my rulebook with me this weekend. The rules are fuzzier about talking in the tournament room. There are some generalizations about spectator conduct, and a lot stuff gets lumped under "annoying or distracting the opponent". Stinky food and opponents probably fall under this. Yapping spectators may fall under outside assistance if they say something that helps one of the players.Pollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747958243702670987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-37263885673838167882009-02-28T18:26:00.000-05:002009-02-28T18:26:00.000-05:00Ok, I was fully prepared to say:To "go Lizzy" mean...Ok, I was fully prepared to say:<BR/>To "go Lizzy" means to voice strong objections in the form of an acerbic, detailed, elaborate point by point rebuttal to a post containing some misleading erroneous information or thinly veiled insults disguised inadvertently or otherwise as a seemingly casual remarks.<BR/>(e.g. <A HREF="http://lizzyknowsall.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-could-beat-their-reporter.html" REL="nofollow">http://lizzyknowsall.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-could-beat-their-reporter.html</A> a.k.a. the now legendary LaRocca incident of Sept. 2007);<BR/>but I'm equally comfortable with "All of the above".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-6161203221670546972009-02-28T18:22:00.000-05:002009-02-28T18:22:00.000-05:00@Anon, thanks for digging up that copy of the HB r...@Anon, thanks for digging up that copy of the HB regs. So I did misrecall after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-75707956217518359602009-02-28T17:13:00.000-05:002009-02-28T17:13:00.000-05:00just to clarify, "going Lizzy" means to a. be righ...just to clarify, "going Lizzy" means to <BR/>a. be right? <BR/>b. be an insufferable asshole who won't shut up when she's right?<BR/>c. hate people who talk at tournaments?Elizabeth Vicaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04880561980096775673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-9566533646187811622009-02-28T12:48:00.000-05:002009-02-28T12:48:00.000-05:00Anon..."ATH, in Swiss System tournaments ther...Anon...<BR/><BR/>"<BR/>ATH, in Swiss System tournaments there is no rule against talking during your game. You're not supposed to talk ABOUT the game itself, of course...but I think even that rule is only implied, not explicit - something like, "Players may not receive help from anyone while their game is in progress."<BR/>"<BR/>Not to "go Lizzy" on your ass, but<BR/>there is an explicit rule about talking about a game in progress.<BR/>At least there was way back when they had printed rule books.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"<BR/>But you will find very few active players who sympathize with your wish to ban talking during amateur events.<BR/>"<BR/>I guess I wasn't clear about this part. Talking is fine as long as it's not within earshot, & as long as it's not about a game in progress (That's actually in the rules). As far as "interfering with the social experience" goes, I'd have to say that that's fine as long as no money or rating points are involved. Otherwise, it's crap. The typical entry fee will buy a lot more social experience just about any place where there's not all that chess stuff involved.<BR/>Cell phones & iPods are annoying in ordinary circumstances & orders of magnitude more so in chess tournaments. BTW, cell phones & iPods have also been credited with "interfering with the social experience" of life in general.<BR/>Whoever made that absurd remark about Guantanamo Bay either doesn't play much chess or has never been in an enemy combatant detention camp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-92112917131934805442009-02-28T11:56:00.000-05:002009-02-28T11:56:00.000-05:00ATH, in Swiss System tournaments there is no rule ...ATH, in Swiss System tournaments there is no rule against talking during your game. You're not supposed to talk ABOUT the game itself, of course...but I think even that rule is only implied, not explicit - something like, "Players may not receive help from anyone while their game is in progress." <BR/><BR/>In professional (closed, generally round-robin, FIDE-rated) events, it's different: There, talking generally is banned during play. <BR/><BR/>But you will find very few active players who sympathize with your wish to ban talking during amateur events. I speak with authority, because I tried it a few years ago and discovered the overwhelming majority of active (and inactive) tournament players I spoke with felt that a talking ban would interfere with the social experience, and thereby diminish their overall enjoyment from participating in a tournament. In a memorable phrase, one critic of the proposal to ban all talking (and cell phones and iPods) from tournament halls wrote, "He wants to turn chess tournaments into Guantanamo Bay!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-39111711461975176872009-02-28T01:42:00.000-05:002009-02-28T01:42:00.000-05:00I'm not sure the reasons are obvious, but I di...I'm not sure the reasons are obvious, but I didn't really think about it a whole lot. For one thing, I think the "no early draws" rule distorts the game no matter what section it applies to. <BR/>The rule that "Players are not allowed to talk to spectators or other players during tournament play." is long overdue. It seems that it's buried in the official rules somewhere, but never enforced. One thing I hate is anyone within earshot or visual range of the (my) game discussing it while the game is still in progress as though it were a spectator sports event. This is especially annoying when my opponent has no clue how to proceed & master level players are spraying the place with all kinds of hints & clues. I actually walked over to a couple of them once to join the conversation & they immediately shut up, so I suspect they had an interest in the outcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-41273467221829465462009-02-27T18:56:00.000-05:002009-02-27T18:56:00.000-05:00Philip, I stand corrected - the published dress co...Philip, I stand corrected - the published dress code for the HB Global indeed applied to all sections (http://www.seniorchess.zoomshare.com/3.html, see "Player Attire" ). That text makes clear it was a voluntary code, though - therefore it's an oxymoron to speak of "slackness in the enforcement." <BR/><BR/>I must have confused the dress code with the No Early Draw Rule, which appears immediately beneath it in the linked document. The latter is a subject I've had far greater exposure to (in terms of reading and particicipating in discussions on various chess blogs) than the former. It was the draw restriction that was confined to the Open Section, for obvious reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-43291634228824057582009-02-26T22:49:00.000-05:002009-02-26T22:49:00.000-05:00A fellow famous for "touring the 50 states" used t...A fellow famous for "touring the 50 states" used to noisily eat one or two smelly quarter-pounders and leave extensive crumbs on himself and all around the board. Joy. Nice ambassador.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-31103732454152633872009-02-26T22:47:00.000-05:002009-02-26T22:47:00.000-05:00They do not resemble each other at all. "Anonymo...They do not resemble each other at all. <BR/><BR/>"Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> maybe its me but anne marie and amanda mateer look alot alike. if those of you who dont know who amanda mateer is, look at a blog elizabeth did earlier this year in january about the US chess school, she was a guest for a day<BR/> February 24, 2009 5:09 PM "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-11756177234680122172009-02-26T22:23:00.000-05:002009-02-26T22:23:00.000-05:00Canadians should add 50 points to their CFC rating...Canadians should add 50 points to their CFC ratings, and add "amen, hallelujah" to the Pledge of Allegiance.Ron Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01627958054359995949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-78138371002814832512009-02-26T15:45:00.000-05:002009-02-26T15:45:00.000-05:00It seems a little unfair that they used her old (2...It seems a little unfair that they used her old (2001) USCF rating when her current Canadian rating is over 1950.<BR/><BR/>This tournament is notorious for this sort of thing. Many "unrated" Russian experts have played board four.<BR/><BR/>No biggie, it's still the most fun tournament there is.<BR/><BR/>-MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-44466052594074495222009-02-26T12:31:00.000-05:002009-02-26T12:31:00.000-05:00http://www.chess.ca/memberinfo.asp?CFCN=113051http://www.chess.ca/memberinfo.asp?CFCN=113051Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-91447902929931335262009-02-26T06:31:00.000-05:002009-02-26T06:31:00.000-05:00Anne Marie Charbonneau was rated in the 1500's, bu...Anne Marie Charbonneau was rated in the 1500's, but that was based on a small number of tournaments. She played very well in Round 6.<BR/>Is she under rated?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-33028305045411297742009-02-25T23:48:00.000-05:002009-02-25T23:48:00.000-05:00@Anon on 2/25 13:07:Well, since the player info sh...@Anon on 2/25 13:07:<BR/>Well, since the player info sheet apparently is no longer to be found in my records and has probably disappeared from the Web by now, I can't really substantiate it, but I remain in respectful disagreement with your recall of the dress-code applicability at the HB. In any case, even accepting your premise, there was a certain slackness in the enforcement even in the Open section there. There was one IM (who shall remain nameless) that I remember in particular, who spent much of that tournament in an outfit that was unusually scruffy even by the everyday patzer's standards, apparently without sanction. Oh, well...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-57784671843884622952009-02-25T22:31:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:31:00.000-05:00Is Paul Truong too big to fail?Seriously, I suspec...Is Paul Truong too big to fail?<BR/>Seriously, I suspect this might be a really good time to get some grant proposals written. Assuming you have something shovel ready of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-20638805086012460632009-02-25T22:19:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:19:00.000-05:00Why didn't Obama's bailout plan include mention of...Why didn't Obama's bailout plan include mention of Paul Truong. After all he did bail out all those fortune 500 companies...<BR/><BR/>Here's the newest USCL news and ______ rumor:<BR/><BR/>Pascal never uses a computer to analyze because he is actually a cyborg, part human, mostly computer. He actually beat me in a game with his cyborg chess part turned off. That was embarassing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-9104058762044687502009-02-25T18:16:00.000-05:002009-02-25T18:16:00.000-05:00Anon: It didn't bother me. I was actually impresse...Anon: It didn't bother me. I was actually impressed by the manual dexterity demonstrated using chop sticks and playing chess at the same time. Besides, unless you're picking up the pieces with the chopsticks, one doesn't have to worry about food particles all over the pieces. :-)Pollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747958243702670987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-43956738622465618912009-02-25T13:07:00.000-05:002009-02-25T13:07:00.000-05:00I think it was me eating the sushi at the Marshall...I think it was me eating the sushi at the Marshall. Forgive me, Polly.<BR/><BR/>Philip, the dress code at the HB Global applied only to the Open Section. At least that's how I recall it, but I am very confident my memory is accurate. (I played in a lower section and wore jeans and sneakers all the time, with no problem.)<BR/><BR/>But, I too was favorably impressed by the various efforts the HB organizers made to have a comfortable, professional atmosphere at that event. Too bad they folded up shop soon after.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8556305125957341024.post-52353748358517272602009-02-25T04:45:00.000-05:002009-02-25T04:45:00.000-05:00What, exactly, is the difference between chess and...What, exactly, is the difference between chess and food?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com