Monday, April 20, 2009
don't throw pieces at the Marshall!
look, it's me, yelling at Myles (pictured above). Notice how amusing Myles's opponent (JP) finds this.
Posted by Elizabeth Vicary at 5:21 PM
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intermittent thoughts on my life and work as the chess coach at IS 318, a public middle school in Brooklyn
You handled that really well, Lizzy! So did Myles, who just swallowed his pride and listened to you. Kudos all around.
My 7-year-old (who hasn't played at the Marshall yet but has hung out in that room waiting for her older sister and has absorbed a fair amount of Marshall lore while doing so) commented: When I saw the title, I thought it was going to be about one of those older guys (significantly older than Miles) who throw pieces . . .
Good limit setting by the coach/teacher/mentor.
was this from the team tournament at the marshall earlier this year
I don't sound like a huge bitch? My voice sounds so stuck-up. Honestly, my first thought on seeing the video was to remember someone saying to me "By middle-age, everyone has the face they deserve."
What an awesome clip. Nope, I agree with all above, well-handled. Cuz of course it's the kind of thing where if you don't snap off a sharp response, then you've reeeaaally got a problem.
I love too how it really seems to be the centerpiece of the video -- on either side, just general play, sitting around, then -- kid throws piece, coach handles -- like an instructional video...
What I liked is that Myles had to fix the problem himself. You didn't just go off shouting at him, so his incentive is improved in the direction of not throwing pieces. It was also good that not a lot of time passed between the infraction & your response.
I've heard: "By 40, everyone has the face they deserve.", but the actual quotation from Coco Chanel is: "Nature gives you the face you have at 20. Life shapes the face you have at 30. But at 50, you get the face you deserve.", so you'll have to wait & see.
Of course you do "sound like a huge bitch", (not that there's anything wrong with that) so you have to be careful you don't get a bad reputation. There are people who might "have issues" with your method, but they're usually not the ones doing the work.
Hi, Lizzy. You sound and look awesome in the video. Like a teacher kids respond to and respect.
Do you step up the level of discipline when your students are in a public place like the Marshall? Or would you respond the same way if a kid threw a piece in your classroom at school?
So... how could you have carried out your threat of taking him home right away... and leave the rest of the kids there?
I guess the threat is stronger than the execution.
If you listen carefully you can hear Myles: "Why must I lose to this idiot!?"
thanks. I'm sure I am more strict when we are in public (for many reasons). On the other hand, Myles did intentionally throw a chess piece at another kid's head, and I would always react pretty strongly to that.
Matt-- I absolutely would have taken him home; I'd wait until the round starts. It would just take me 45 minutes each way and the kids are responsible enough to be left alone that long. But Myles would never in a million years force me to do that: he's a happy kid and he likes me and likes the Marshall (it was his first time; he was enchanted). To give you a sense of our relationship, it's 11:20 am and I have already spent two hours with Myles today. :)
I watched the clip again and I agree with my earlier assessment: Good limit setting. I don't think you sound like a huge bitch but rather, like an adult, who is serious about setting and enforcing appropriate limits. It's never cool to throw a chess piece at another person but it's particularly not cool at a place like the Marshall. First, it's a place that has a lot of history for chess players and I don't think middle schoolers are too young to have a sense of respect for that history and also recognize that behavior that is okay on the playground or in the gym is not okay in church or at Independence Hall, etc. Second, (and maybe I'm overly sensitive about this) I do feel that there is a little bit (or a lot) of tension between the adults and the kids at the Marshall and I feel like that the more kids behave like they belong there and less like it's the equivalent of the basement gym at a Hunter or other scholastic chess tournament, the less tension there will be and the more it will feel like a place where serious chess players of all ages can co-exist.
I'd hate to be disciplined by you Liz ;)!
Not so fast Mark, have you seen her in the boots & leather miniskirt (mentioned in Kings Of New York)?
You can disciplineme any time
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